Talk:Cartoon

Copyright
USer: Bob M & User: Technopat, do either of you know a way of getting copyright permission for cartoons? I would like to add some examples for the games as I think they serve as good demonstrations.

I was thinking of adding ones like these for the fill in the blanks and guessing words in context exercises: [two file tags deleted because the files have been deleted]

Would I be wasting my time if I tried to get permission? Have either of you tried to do this before?

User:Jameson2000ad
 * The copyright would be owned by either the author or the publication. If you go to a website then the copyright information should be there somewhere. I did quite a bit of investigating into this at one time and you can find my conclusions here: Copyright in English language teaching.
 * On a couple of occasions I have attempted to get copyright release from people but it's never been successful. But perhaps didn't approach it correctly.
 * The thing is that while you are probably OK using something in class putting it up here is a horse of a different colour. :-( --Bob M 10:20, 20 October 2012 (CDT)


 * Understood Bob M, but how about external linking - is that ok? For example
 * "In this activity you will need a single-frame cartoon such as this one, which the teacher...."


 * Would that be ok? And to safeguard against the link expiring, a search phrase could also be added such as:


 * "In this activity you will need a single-frame cartoon such as this one (net search: "gary Larson cartoon anthropologists"), which the teacher...."


 * User:Jameson2000ad
 * That's a bit of a grey area. Technically that's called deep linking. As you will see from the WP article it's probably best avoided, but I'm open to other opinions.--Bob M 11:06, 20 October 2012 (CDT)


 * Bob M
 * I have read up on it - interesting stuff. However, the court cases reflect situations where commercial gain or loss was at stake, but in this case a deeplink would (presumably always) promote the creator`s work. As long as a deeplink does not connect to an extensively copied piece of the creator`s work e.g. a complete pdf version of a Gary Larson Far Side book, then in my opinion deeplinks should be used wherever an example is mandatory. For an example, see the cartoon page section I`ve edited - the "Grammar commentary" activity definitely requires an image to refer the sentences to; however, the "Fill in the blanks" task doesn`t need one becvause it`s self-explanatory.
 * What are your thoughts?
 * User:Jameson2000ad
 * As I said it's a bit of a grey area. I agree that we are not making a commercial advantage. But it does represent us using the work of another individual without their consent. I agree that one could argue that we are promoting their work. But such unsolicited promoting has not been usually regarded as a defence for copyright violation.
 * Let's see what other opinions arrive. :-) --Bob M 12:50, 20 October 2012 (CDT)
 * Actually Wikipedia's own copyright page is probably relevant as well.--Bob M 12:58, 20 October 2012 (CDT)


 * Fair enough Bob M; let`s wait for other opinions and meanwhile I`ll read up on copyright...
 * User:Jameson2000ad
 * Wikipedia.org, Wikiversity.org, and the other Wikimedia Foundation sponsored wiki's are very strict about not allowing images to be uploaded to their servers without permission of the copyright holder, except for public domain material. They are also strict about requiring that all images on their servers be clearly attributed to the image's creator and or copyright owner. Web sites that violate copyright do not succeed. It is a sure death wish. It is up to the site operators to enforce adherence to legal copyright practice and to educate their users how to do this. Bob, cudos to you for all the research you have done on this, and to you too Jameson, for recognizing the importance of this matter and for asking about it. Images are an essential element of quality English teaching material and are also expected these days of quality websites. Sourcing images legally at Teflpedia is essential to Teflpedia's success. This issue needs a help page. Perhaps Help:Image sources or something. Bob, could you help with that? --Roger 14:59, 20 October 2012 (CDT)

Categories
Also, is it possible to add category links under each section on a page? For example, the cartoon/comic project activity needs the categories: young learners, writing, projects and activities, while the political cartoon activity needs just one category: speaking

Perhaps it would be better to give each a separate page - I`m not sure. This also applies to the vocabulary activity page because I guess adding category lists to each activity will make it easier to find... is that right?User:Jameson2000ad
 * I'm afraid that it is not possible to add categories to sections.
 * That means that we would either need to put all the categories on the page to which it refers or create separate pages.--Bob M 12:52, 20 October 2012 (CDT)


 * Well, your suggestion seems like less work so for the meantime I`ll just add the categories to the bottom of those pages. --User:Jameson2000ad
 * ...on second thoughts, the page is getting quite full so maybe the activities would be beter off on their own pages - do you agree? Or perhaps as --Roger did with the vocabulary games page, the contents table can be tweaked...
 * --Jameson2000ad 17:12, 21 October 2012 (CDT)

Page layout
James, nice work! You are a font of knowledge! Yes, the page was getting a little hard to read. I moved the "Project" item to Cartoon project (it needed its own page) and changed the ===Procedure=== headings of the other items to Procedure (like this: Procedure ) which is bold enough to serve as a heading but wont appear in the Table of Contents (TOC) because it isn't really a section header. This works for short items that you don't want to show in the TOC. Longer sections of course get hard to edit if they don't have their own section edit link. So this technique is really for short stuff like we have on this page (now that Project has its own page). Sorry I had to delete the cartoon examples above. Images are important, and I think it is great to teach folks how they can find them on the Internet to legally print out for class, but we can't publish them on Teflpedia without copyright permission as Bob noted. I have started a Help:image sources page where we can brainstorm ideas about how to get the best images we legally can on Teflpedia. Feel free to participate! Cheers! --Roger 00:02, 22 October 2012 (CDT)