Teflpedia:Student bar/Archive 4

Evolutionary mutation rate...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8227442.stm Apparently between 100 and 200 for each person. I assume this is actual mutations rather than just swapping alleles around and so on. But it's interesting and quite a high figure showing the the number of chances that nature has for producing something good. Armondikov 14:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Bugger, EC'd. Each of us has at least 100 new mutations in our DNA, according to research published in the journal Current Biology. Looking forward to someone using this at a Whorehouse of Knowledge. Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 14:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Considering there's like 3 billion base pairs in our genome, it isn't that many. Though I suppose just one frame shift in the wrong place could produce some fairly bizarre aberrations. Or just kill the organism. Whatever. --Jeeves 16:34, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the question is what kind of mutations. I guess that the vast majority are ether irrelevant or in non-coding DNA - that's where I hope mine are anyway.  The chances of producing something very bad are a lot better than the chances of producing something good. --Bob M 17:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * There's a really good (and recent) article on the subject here (to which I was directed by Pharyngula). Cue Y chromosome-related jokes from the ladies present :) SuspectedReplicant 18:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, yeah, that considered it's not many. But for the people who go "all mutations are bad" well, 100-200 in each individual (individuals who are otherwise perfectly healthy) it's massive kick in the teeth. If you want to take the view that all mutations are bad, you'd only expect maybe one or two that were present, so hundreds per person is high in that sense at least. Armondikov 14:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Vaccination story
Go here and watch the clip or read the transcript of the whooping cough epidemic story. This was broadcast in Australia last evening. RagTop 23:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Blarrrgh
I just finished eating the best pizza ever... a BBQ chicken pizza saturated with napkins. Yummers. Javascap 00:30, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This kind of valuable information is what we live for! Human 03:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I Want one
of these Toast 03:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * eggselent! Human 03:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've got one. Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 05:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * (But not as big.)

stumblin
Why does this make me laugh immoderately? Toast 07:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Because everything ever done by Gary Larson is pure, unadulterated comedy gold.  The greatest cartoonist ever, in my book.   DogP 16:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

World War Two (again)
NOW it was declared seventy years ago today... by which I mean Britain declaring war on Germany. SuperJosh 11:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, happy birthday to Psy's dad. Crundy 13:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * hey, he made his three-score and ten. -- Psy Whut? 17:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. Plus, I made that edit at the hax0r hour lololol!!111 Crundy 12:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Jon Voight on Obama
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob5XM2Xe9so Wow. Just wow.] -- Psy Whut? 19:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Tom Waits Ol' 55 IS a great song. A real "wow" song. Don't see the connection to Obama or washed-up actors, though...TheoryOfPractice 22:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehehehe... Human 23:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh buggery... wrong copy paste. Try this one instead. -- Psy Whut? 17:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Language
QI:
 * Arthur (Smith)
 * Do you know, I can say, in Danish, "I have spilled coffee on the anteater."


 * Stephen (Fry)
 * I would like you to do that for us now.


 * Arthur
 * Jeg har spildt kaffe på Myresluger''!

That's all. Toast 22:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I can say "hello" and "thank you" in Russian! "Zrazvytchye" and "Da Svedanya". Although that's almost definitely not how to spell the roman alphabet interpretation... SuperJosh 11:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Although I have no clue how to spell it, I can say "fuck me with a cucumber" in Swedish. (Google says it's "knulla mig med en gurka") Armondikov 12:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I made a slight language boo-boo. In the supermarket checkout queue a very sweaty, smelly manager-looking type (from said supermarket) walked to the checkout girl in the aisle next to us and said something to her. I said (quite loud) to my wife "Uh duh duh, pursino madour chod" ("Urgh, sweaty mother f**ker" in Gujurati), and then turned round to see our checkout girl was asian, and smirking at me. Bugger. Crundy 13:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Nothing changes is creationism land
I've been reading Augustine of Hippo's City of God this week and amongst the general hilarity this chapter stands out in particular. Pah, those idolatrous Egyptians have records from back before the world began? Lets invent a reason to compress their timetables to fit our divinely inspired one. Now they're doing it with Egyptology and radiometric dating. That's progress! --Jeeves 11:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

IM
Anyone use instant messaging around here? I use MSN but I don't know if it's compatilable with yahoo messenger or whatever. SuperJosh 12:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They tend not to be compatable with each other, but you can get free all-in-one clients which you give your credentials for all your different IM accounts to and it seems as though you are using a single protocol. Don't know of any good ones though. Crundy 13:04, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Years ago I used something called Miranda that did them all supposedly. Pi 13:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Pidgin. It's good.--PitchBlackMind 16:03, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Pidgin or Adium for Mac (not sure if Pidgin supports Growl notifications but Adium does) or Trillium for Windoze. Nutty Roux 16:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I use only IRC through Chatzilla. Phantom Hoover 16:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In days of yore I was a contributor to pidgin. Worst developer attitudes evar. Maybe I should see if there are still some of lines of my code in there. --Jeeves 16:58, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

BNP to give up racism!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6820847.ece Well, not exactly, but it's getting there. Extra points for playing the Orwell card with "Undemocratic Orwellian equality laws" (and quite incorrectly, I don't think Oceania enforced equality like that, IIRC). Armondikov 13:34, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I fixed the link as it was broken. After finding this, I don't think we can ever say the BNP will be "giving up" racism. If only my socks weren't blocked on CP I'd love to send this to Andy and say "these are the people you'd say would get your vote on education alone, you retard." Sorry for that, but the man has the same IQ as a starfish. SuperJosh 13:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we can say the BNP will be as hostile as ever to ethnic minorities. This isn't a case of them voluntarily giving up their racism, but rather being forced to by a court decision. Instead, I dare say we'll see a version of the old "No Irish, No Blacks" stance of racist landlords from a few decades ago: "Oh I'd love to sign you up, Mr Black Person, but I just used my last membership form".
 * As for good BNP links, I hope you've all seen this (actually for the interviews rather than the pics)? SuspectedReplicant 14:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Every black, asian and jewish person in the country should now sign up and elect only ethnic minorities to be their official candidates and local leaders, and vote for policies like a closer relationship with the EU etc. --Jeeves 14:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This constitution rewrite will probably increase the powers of the executive, allowing them to select their candidates without local approval and so forth. The next fight will be discrimination about the selections. Pi 14:36, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice idea Jeeves! (The "BNP gives up racism!" headline was more a joke, in case people were wondering :P.) Armondikov 15:40, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Replicant: That is probably the best webpage, ever, in the history of the interwebs. For example:


 * When people say the BNP is a fascist party, what do you think?
 * Fascist – I don’t understand that word.


 * Think of Nazi Germany, or 1930s Italy.
 * I can’t even remember when that happened really, but I’m against them anyway.


 * You’re against who?
 * The Germans. I know that sounds evil… I was brought up that way.


 * But not the Nazis?
 * No, I don’t agree with that at all.


 * What the f**king hell? Get idiots involved in politics and the BNP is what you end up with. Crundy 21:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

A Whorehouse of Knowledge
I've been wanting to ask this for a while... Why do so many of you bother with aSK? Is it because PJR was a voice of (semi-)reason over at CP? If so, I'm afraid you're on to a loser. PJR is just as mad as any other YECretin and is never going to change his mind. He will always find time to point out the motes in your own eyes while ignoring the beams in his own. It looks like Human has finally got that, but there are still several people trying to engage PJR.

Please, I'd like to know what people are hoping to achieve. If there's a chance of making a difference then I'll finally create an account, but right now it seems as if there are several people banging their heads on the walls of PJR (et al)'s insanity with no hope of changing anything. SuspectedReplicant 14:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Cos aSoK is like CP used to be before the night of the blunt knives. Full of insane people who you could prod for lulz. It might not be productive, but it's more fun than wandalism. --Jeeves 14:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh. If it's mainly for the lulz then... okay. It seemed to be a bit more than that in many cases though - your demolition of PJR's "most attested event in history" idiocy was particularly fun to read. SuspectedReplicant 14:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Whilst we are on the topic of ASK, an idea floated on Human's talkpage is that we replace WIGO ASK with a more general WIGO Wikis, seeing as our trip abroad has allowed us to explore other horizons. Some suggestions included watching, Wikisynergy and WikiIndex, but we also had the failed CAM and Metapedia ones we could mix in. Throw in a few more we could have a little all purpose WIGO going that would allow us to ride out CPs fall a little easier. Pi 14:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that. It seems like a great idea to me. There's not enough to keep the aSK WIGO ticking, but combining it with other storehouses of idiocy might help. SuspectedReplicant 14:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I participate at ASK from time to time because it's fun. I have no absolutely no hope of changing anybody's mind. If you believe something becasue of faith, how is reasoned argument going to change you mind? Obviously if you have faith then you must know that the argument must be wrong. But it's fun seeing the responses.
 * To answer the other point - yes, a generalised WIGO would be good. I'm not sure that WikiIndex would give much to report on in the long term though. It's only notable at the moment because of things associated with the RW server meltdown and the personalities who have temporally taken up lodging.--Bob M 14:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Definitely, anything that facilitates RW's scope expanding is good by me. CP, obviously, would stay separate for now, but the "wikisphere" would be a nice one to go with blogs and clogs. "Forumsphere" too perhaps, but that would require watching things a lot closer I reckon. Armondikov 15:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I walked away when I noticed the only people he was sysoping were from CP. I realised then that it wouldn't be a broader-based wiki than Conservapedia - it would inevitably end up repeating CP's mistakes. Totnesmartin 16:18, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "looks like Human has finally got that" Well, really, I had it from the beginning. YECiots never change their "minds".  All I do over at AWK is gawk, read the great comments people like Jeeves and Sterile and Bob make and laugh at PJR's twisted "logics".  What happened last night was I came across a thing to quote to Philip, and finally figured out a way to word that diff to my user page.
 * As far as WIGOwikisphere, yeah, it's a great idea. It helps deal with say, wikiindex, being interesting only once in a while - it gives us a place to put the item of interest other than the saloon bar.  Folding wigoAWK and wigo4R into it makes sense to me.  Do we want to use "wikisphere"?  PS, this also gives us a place to comment on user number 186's Ediocy on wikipedia. Great idea overall, whoever had it. Human 21:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm getting attached to "wikisphere", it sort of merges with the other two terms that are already in use. And of course, what happens with a wiki tends to be a lot different to forums and blogs so it warrants a separate arena. And of course, sometimes shit happens at Wikipedia too that's worth mentioning, but only people who are also regular WP editors will probably notice it. Armondikov 21:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's growing on me, too. Human 00:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It'd give somewhere for Ed's WP stoopids too. Toast 00:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Scroll up three or so comments. But, yes, right now they sorta get lost at the SB. Human 00:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What is going on in the wikisphere? has too good of a ring to it to pass up. Pi 00:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Best bible verse EVER
Hosea 9:7 "The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred." Javascap 16:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ...


 * Deu 17:2-7 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou hast heard [of it], and enquired diligently, and, behold, [it be] true, [and] the thing certain, [that] such abomination is wrought in Israel: Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, [even] that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you..
 * Kektklik 23:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So much for the loving tolerant god I was told to love as a kid. Javascap 23:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You're thinking of Jesus... Kektklik 01:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Archiving
Actually a bit of archiving would be a good idea. I'm at 34% of my monthly bandwith now. I figure 50% by the 6th, which barring accidents, should leave with me enough to spare for the month - but cutting the page down wouldn't be a bad idea.--Bob M 18:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've just shoved some into the archive, but with "Healthcare" being pretty massive but not particularly old, and stuck in the middle, it makes the cut off point a little difficult. Unless you're happy to say that 3rd Sept is old enough to say it's finished. Armondikov 19:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've said it before and I'll say it again: you should enable output compression on the server. It would save you quite some bandwith. Look into enabling zlib support in PHP. --79.30.235.165 20:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the idea. I did have a look at that and there are two problems. 1. I think it may be beyond my limited technical ability. 2. Looking at the instructions, I'm no sure that my service provider gives me sufficient access to make such changes.--Bob M 07:00, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it's on the cards and Bob will ask around for it at some point but probably has other things to do. Also, as I was feeling slightly bored and wanting to edit something (yes, Wikidot is right, editing wikis is addictive), I archived the healthcare one too. Probably screwing your bandwidth in the process by looking at the other archives to see what they were headed with. It'll all be over soon :) Armondikov 20:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Bob, can you get rid of the background image on every page? Human 21:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The book background? That's about 7kb (the TP logo is 8 kb and the CC-BY-SA logo is 5kb) and is probably cached locally so it wouldn't make too much of a difference to what the server has to deal with I think. Armondikov 21:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the 5th, we're at 40%, shouldn't be too much of a problem. It's been interesting to see how RW much chew bandwidth though.--Bob M 10:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

REWARD
I will pay $10,000 to anyone who can prove that Glenn Beck did not rape and murder a young woman in 1990. 19:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Can I choose which young woman? --79.30.235.165 20:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The easiest thing to do would be to try and find the identity of the woman he allegedly raped and killed in 1990. If no possible rape victim can be found, it might not be true. 21:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

My day
I went to a funeral of a friend of my parents whom I have known since the 60s. Opposite the cemetery/crematorium there was a cafe called "Hell's Kitchen". Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 20:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What an appropriate place to build a cafe called Hell's Kitchen. My condolensces. SuperJosh 17:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

WikiSynergy pulled down
http://www.wikisynergy.com/

"This site is being shut down. The reason is that the threat level to the founder is unacceptable. Threats have been made to attack the my reputation in real life. Although I believe that the friend who made the threats and then apologized will keep their word, that does not eliminate the threat from others. If even one of the several people who know who I really am make an accidental slip (as already happened once), I could be subject to a campaign of harassment and lies which will deeply effect my life. I had planned to continue my campaign to eliminate pseudoscience from the skeptical community, by providing a place where skeptics and believers could hash out their differences in a collegial environment. Still, there will be those whose ideas we debunk, because they are unscientific. The site is intrinsically a place for controversy and dispute. I know that in the future, the risk would only get worse. I cannot risk my real-world life, or my real-world material existence, in order to help the arena of fringe ideas progress to a higher level.

It is possible that the site may be put back up, so please watch this space. But as of now, WikiSynergy is gone." Human 03:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

What were the said comments? Theemperor 04:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Who knows, but some "people" were very heavy-handed in their demands that PS remove various things (mostly harmless) from the wiki. Sadly, PS acquiesced, which of course only invites more threatening behavior.  Great, in two weeks we've killed how many wikis? Human 05:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Damn shame, too. Now, I fear, that my prediction about a certain green goose trashing RationalWiki instead of WS will come true.  Now more than ever.  Besides that, it wasn't really a bad wiki for promoting pseudosciences.Gooniepunk2005 05:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I liked the place and will miss it, I hope PS figures out a way to put it back up. I think PS is over-reacting a bit to lame threats from internet jerks.  Oh, and Goonie, you think that lame goose is any match for the combined forces of the wikians that are rational? Human 05:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not!!! Especially with the numbers of syspos and 'crats we have, compared to the two that WikiSynergy had.  I actually sent PS an e-mail telling him to feel free to join us at RationalWiki once it is back up.Gooniepunk2005 05:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Although now, as if it wasn't obvious anyways, I can, at least, admit my sock: I was the one known as "The Janitor." But I think everyone but goose poop caught that one.Gooniepunk2005 05:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A shame. What was the stuff that some "people" wanted deleted? Or would that simply compound the problem?  (Now I think about it I can make a good guess though.)--Bob M 06:56, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I just think the bullies got the better of her. They bullied, she acquiesced, so they bullied more. Assholes (sorry Bobwiki). I'm trying to communicate with her and get her over the paranoia hump if I can. Oh, and Goonie, you know PS is not a "he", don't you?  And she's already on RW?  Idea: Port all of WS to a namespace on RW for a bit where us tougher hombres and homgals can drive off the trolls? Human 07:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There is something to be said for the power of the mob in resisting bullying. That's one reason Terry Koeckritz prefers to do it behind closed doors. Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 09:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised at how abrupt the whole thing is. Oh, well. I'll have to put the thing about all the molecules going to one side of the room on RW at some point.  Sterile 11:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I really really wanted to comment on that but I never found it again! It was a poor "example" since it's not possible - as soon as the molecules are even slightly "out of balance" the pressure will be higher in one area, making its molecules leave for the lower pressure area(s). Human 22:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you are right about that. My point was that even if we just use a simple model-assume that molecules are on one side of the room 50% of the time, how often will they be on one side, no real "chemistry" involved--that events like that just aren't going to happen (0.0000 ... 1 x 1023 0's 1% of the time, essentially never)--and, as you said, they would fly apart at a rate 100s of miles per second, such that in half a microsecond, we'd be back to normal.  No paranormalsupernatural dude required.  Sterile 02:05, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, that is sort of chemistry. It sounds like statistical thermodynamics, the model that explains why entropy always increases. But the numbers you'd need to quote would be powers of powers (possibly another "of powers" on top). :S Armondikov 18:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you don't. Entropy is an energy phenomenon, and the partition functions you imply are about energy. (An increase range of translational energy equates to an increased density of states, hence more available microstates and more entropy.) The two are clearly related, but the argument I was making was purely based on a probability argument. They amount to the same answer, but are slightly different. Sterile 18:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Porting to RW
Probably need to think about the things to be moved over. All the specific RW stuff and their archives obviously. I'll then delete them here.

Everything from the student Bar will need to be cleaned out, but I think I'll keep the page as there are some external links to it. I'll leave a note up for a couple of months with a link to RW saying it is now active. Also it might be a good idea to have a student bar anyway, though I'll need to disinfect it and refurbish it after the RW departure.

User accounts. I was thinking that these would be removed, but now that I think about it some more there is no obvious reason why they should be. If they are never used they will just disappear into wiki history after a time. So perhaps best to leave it up to individuals to put "retired" or just fade away or whatever. I think all the talk pages are going to magically copied over to RW. Is that correct?--Bob M 10:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think Nx is going to merge the page histories before RW goes back online. Pi 10:35, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it's time to start thinking about this.
 * First I need you to put on all pages that should be moved to RationalWiki. Whether you want your userpage and user talk page moved over is up to you.
 * If you add your userpage to the export category it will replace your userpage at RationalWiki. Don't panic! The pre-crash history will remain intact, so you can revert to the pre-crash version.
 * Next, there's the issue of differing usernames and page titles. I started listing those on my userpage, but stopped. You can help out with that, but please make sure the info is correct (and remember that wikis are case sensitive i.e. JeevesMkII and JeevesMKII are not the same thing - and if I import the edits with an incorrect username, the only way to reassign them is with manual database hacking). We don't need to rename them on the wiki, I can do that in the xml file with some search and replace.
 * Then there's the archives that have been created here. It would be best to do those manually, with copy-paste (since archives contain no history anyway), so make sure they are not in the RW export category.
 * Finally, there's the problem of edits while I'm doing the moving. Unless we coordinate things perfectly, I cannot really prevent edits to RationalWiki before I'm done with this. They are not a serious problem, but they will make things slightly more messed up. E.g. if someone replies on the RW saloon bar to a topic that has been there before the crash, after I merge the articles, the history will look like this:
 * history before crash -> new page: student bar -> history of student bar -> one edit which replaces student bar with the old saloon bar with the new post added
 * Also, I'll lock all the articles in the export category before I start so that no edits get lost. Anyone who has a sysop account here please don't edit them.
 * Once I've imported WIGO CP, I'll add the img tags. If you have a capture, just click the red img tag to get the file name and upload the image. When you upload it, please include the http address (right click - copy link address on the link before the img tag in the wigo entry) and put the image into Category:August 2009 Conservapedia screencaps (already exists) or Category:September 2009 Conservapedia screencaps (I'll create this one). Do not put the image into Category:Conservapedia screencaps - it took me half a day and 4000 edits to clean it up. Alternatively, ignore everything I said and leave it to me to fix things :)
 * @Bob:
 * User accounts cannot be removed, unless their edits are reassigned to another user. Removing their edits would require serious surgery to your database, and would leave article histories completely messed up.
 * I can run a bot to delete all the pages in the export category if you'd like.
 * Nx 11:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, if you bot can do it, fine. I'd like to keep (or if it's easier re-create) the student bar.--Bob M 14:00, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That depends on whether you want the history hidden or visible to anyone. Nx 14:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Need to think about it. It would be nice for nostalgic reasons; on the other hand it really has no logical reason to be here. Probably be best to wipe it I suppose.  :-(   --Bob M 16:09, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'm not sure it's a good idea to run a bot on it. I don't know what to do with user talk pages which are moved to RW for example. Should they also stay here? Nx 07:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've just pulled all the archive pages out of the RW|Export and into just the RW category. The "active" talk pages are still in the RW|Export cat. What about the actual WIGO pages etc.? The vote formats won't necessarily blend in, or will we just archive out all the WIGO's with a separate page for what was done here and start fresh? Armondikov 12:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Because of the vote template, it's trivial to actually add the votecp tag to them with a search and replace. Have wigo entries been archived as well? Nx 12:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I see there's already an archive for WIGO CP. I'll unarchive the WIGO's before I move them to RW. Nx 13:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, so I'll let you take care of that manually. I've added the RW template to the archive page anyway to make sure it doesn't get left behind. Armondikov 15:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Nx, when you are doing this, I think both wikis will need to be locked - or at least, not edited, as you point out. So I think it is best that until you are finished with the porting, RW not be visible. Archives: is there anyway to "skip" over the archive making (ie, large deletions from the bar, etc.) so all the "adding" edits are copied over but none of the "subtracting" ones? Then just run pibot so archives end up where they really should be? Because copying the ad hoc archive over from here is gonna make a mess. It sounds to me like you night have it figured out, I'm just asking. Human 22:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is, I have to be able to see the wiki, which means you will be able to see it too. And it will be after midnight here when Trent comes home. As for archives, there's no way to do that, because with every edit the whole page is saved to the database. Archives should not be in the export category, we'll just move the contents of those to RationalWiki with copypaste, because they contain no valuable history. Nx 06:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * OK on the archives, I see. As far as editing while you are working, I'd suggest some big ugly banners saying "thou shalt not edit" while you work? Human 06:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * (EC)We could just use the site message to leave a note requesting nobody edits it during the transfer, although that would just invite vandals and trolls to come stuff it up. By the way was the site message used to create the intercom, because you can't have both at the same time? Pi 06:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Would it be best if I de-sysop everybody but you so as to prevent accidental edits to sensitive pages?--Bob M 06:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It is your site, you can de-sysop everyone if you wish. Pi 06:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll ask Trent to lock the RW database (I can still import with mediawiki's command line tools), as for Teflpedia, I'll lock the export pages before I start. I don't think there's a need to desysop everyone here, and if a sysop edits a locked page worst case is that their edit will not be moved to RationalWiki. Nx 06:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Idiots Convention
Now this looks like fun. I have already planned my itinerary. Looks like a fun week. Pi 01:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * How to stop abortions: a new approach (DVD: Maafa 21 & Discussion)
 * How to deal with supremacist judges
 * How to stop socialism in health care
 * How to defend America vs. missile attack
 * How the media can help us take back America
 * How to recognize living under Nazis & Communists

Damn I want to attend that so badly! Really! Theemperor 01:53, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Aw, gee, I wonder why she didn't invite her prize idiot son to give an hour of monotonic moronicism that we could transcribe? Human 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't we have a set of videos of him talking at one stage at things like this? Besides Aschlafly this convention have all my favourite clogoists. I would love to go to this. Pi 02:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Andy will be speaking at How to use the Internet effectively: Internet 101, as the creator of teh largest online Christian Conservativetm encyclopedia. Theemperor 02:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Seriously? You had better not be yanking my chain. Pi 03:05, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You've been yanked. Hey, we should send CUR! Human 03:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We only have a few days to get him into the early bird registration. Where is he these days? I saw him over at wikiindex once. Pi 03:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been looking for to A Storehouse of Cheetahs, but to no avail. Theemperor 03:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a theory that it's Lumeniki. Phantom Hoover 08:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, that guy use to have a wiki on ScribbleFarm, a bit pre-CUR. Pi 08:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think he's probably just retired from the wiki world, or he's socking on RW. As for "how to take back America"... a bunch of white, right-wing, McCarthyite, borderline racists saying the same thing over and over again: "Jesus, abortion, terrorism, Obama, Jesus, abortion, terrorism, Obama, Jesus, abortion, terrorism, Obama, Jesus, abortion, terrorism, Obama..." SuperJosh 11:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Bloody hell... "How to understand Islam"... I really hope someone puts videos of this clusterf*ck on the net. SuperJosh 11:38, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I bet no more than 10 minutes into the opening speech Phyllis Schlafly proves Godwin's Law and they don't return from that point for the rest of conference. I reckon I it will set new standards in Godwinian mechanics. Pi 11:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * SJ you don't know what you're talking about - you missed out homosexuality. Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 14:24, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, they'll have to be bootlegged and mirrored because you can guarantee that if they posted them officially, the comments section would be down. But keeping an eye on this should be an RW specialty. At least for the politics junkies. Armondikov 19:53, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

50 Greatest Comedy Films
As voted by the British public. It was on telly last night and I caught the top 14 - I was pleased to see that the top 7 films were some of my personal favourites. Monty Python's Life of Brian came number one obviously - what else could it possibly have been!? - but I think Ghostbusters deserved a better spot than 24, especially with Bill Murray in the lead role. "I make it a rule never to get involved with posessed people... actually it's more of a guideline than a rule... wait, no, I can't, it sounds to me like there's all ready at least two people in there." SuperJosh 11:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A repeat I think. I saw it at least two years ago. Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 14:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

RationalWiki
Any chance that RationalWiki will come back soon? Proxima Centauri 14:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No. It's gone forever. Don't bother checking back later. --Jeeves 14:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Trent got sued and is now in jail for the next 42 years. Now scurry back to Liberapedia and stay there.  Theemperor 15:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What went wrong? Where are the backups? I hope you're joking, I had trouble with Ratwiki but it will be sad if all that secular information vanishes from teh Innertubes. I know His Imperial Majesty is joking as it would take longer than a few weeks for a case to get to court. Proxima Centauri 15:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, when I was very mad at you, I wanted to delete you from RationalWiki and accidentally deleted everything, including the backups. Nx 15:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well little Nixie, that just shows you shouldn't do irrational things when you're angry. Proxima Centauri 16:48, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Moreover, after Trent was jailed the bailiffs claimed the server and backups and wiped them for resale. Phantom Hoover 18:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wasn't the server burned by the FBI after they mistook it as a stash for Class A drugs? Armondikov 18:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It was impounded because of all the kitty porn. (I think I spelled that correctly) Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 19:05, 6 September 2009 (UTC)